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Jayne County:
The Wonder Woman of Rock 'N' Roll
Interview By: Miss Guy
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This living legend of the underground needs no introduction, so ladies and gentlemen, here she is…
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Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: Hi Jayne! Are you excited about the CBGB's movie coming out? Who's portraying you?
Jayne County: Well yes, I am so excited about La CBGB's film! But, I must admit, I am also a bit nervous! As many people know, Mx County is living in a Paranoia Paradise and I am immediately suspicious of anything that moves or talks! LOL! But I am happy that I have been included, when others have chosen to try and eliminate my presence from existence. It has been a constant battle for me to get my credit, but the music scene has had a lot of homo and transphobia in its mist, but now that seems to be changing. Speaking as a STONEWALL GIRL (Future song!) myself, I am a bit more positive these days about having my voice heard, as well as other LGBT people. The CBGB's film is a good interpretation of what happened at the time. I was there! I played there BEFORE it was even called CBGBs! Four months BEFORE the great band Television. It pisses me off to hear people say Television was the first band of that first wave of NYC "Punk" to play there! NOT SO! I was part of the first wave to hit and I had actually survived the so called "Glam" era as well. Also you must remember that IGGY as well, was a part of the Glam movement that evolved into what was mistakenly labeled "Punk" by the media. Iggy was a part of the BOWIE, Mainman era, as was WAYNE COUNTY. Some idiots will say "Oh Jayne isn't Punk, she was part of the Glam movement" and that's just bullshit! So was Iggy! Why does Iggy get a pass and not Wayne/Jayne County? It's ridiculous! The truth is, that there were bands that used both elements of Glam and Punk. The New York Dolls for instance, they fit into either category. And I was already wearing ripped stockings, safety pins, ratty hair and tacky make up during the Glam period. Wayne County defied categories. Wayne/Jayne County was, and is, beyond being type casted. I am a mixture of all the Rock N Roll categories. I do it on purpose. Glam, Punk, Psychedelic, Blues, Rockabilly, even Cole Porter! I'm a ROCK 'N' ROLL MUTT! This CBGB's film has caused a lot of debate but you must remember, it's just a film and movies always take artistic license. It's always an interpretation. And the film is about HILLY. A lot of people miss that point. It's about Hilly and the bands are all secondary. The so-called 'Punk purists' are already getting their dirty, smelly panties in a twist! They don't know what really happened! They just think they do. They have their own narrow-minded interpretation of what Punk was TO THEM! Punk meant something different to
everyone. Punk is like the Bible, it's open to interpretation. And it's all a part of history now and there will be more and more different interpretations coming up, so they should just SHUT THE FUCK UP! Raise your own money, get your own producers and make your own version of a "Punk" film,
or FUCK OFF and let everyone else have the freedom to present their art! These people are just jealous, bitter, old negative haters! No one cares what
they have to say. The CBGB's film is here to stay, like it or not.
I'm sure there will be things in the film that I don't like but Punk doesn't belong to
me or anyone else! It now belongs to history. And there's a great soundtrack coming out! It has CB's bands as well as other bands that influenced the movement. Great bands like The Count Five, The Velvet Underground and MC Five. And of course the fabulous Blondie and Television, and yours truly, Wayne County and The Electric Chairs! It's being released on CD and on a double pink vinyl LP! I am really excited about THAT! This film and soundtrack will turn a lot of people on to an incredible part of ROCK ‘N' ROLL HISTORY! And that's a good thing!
A new actor named Caleb McCotter is playing me. Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: When did you move to New York?
Jayne County: I first went to NYC IN 1967. I caught a Greyhound bus from Atlanta to NYC. It cost 25 bucks! It was all very Midnight Cowboy! I got off at Port Authority and walked to Times Square. I was a real country bumpkin! Fresh off the farm! I was Hip though so I knew the score! I had hung out with the hippies and drag queens in Atlanta and had read John Rechy's book 'City Of Night' so I wasn't completely dumb. But there I was in Times Square, looking for "the village" cause I had heard that The Stonewall was there! The Stonewall was famous even in Atlanta, but really, I was trying to find The Stonewall in Times Square! LOL ! So I just started stopping people asking if they could direct me to the Village. Eventually this nice gay man told me how to get there, what subway to catch and all. I didn't even know what a subway was! I thought it was some weird street I had to walk down. Like a dark tunnel that led directly to the Stonewall! Talk about being green! When I got on the subway, I had to ask someone which stop was the Village! I think I got off on West 4th. It's a bit blurry really. Anyway I somehow found myself on Christopher street. Then I got directed to the Stonewall. They made me sign a book and I remember that made me nervous, thinking that it may be a trick by the Police. The Police in Atlanta were KKK basturds, so I was very wary of signing anything. That was all in 1967. I intended to go on to San Francisco, to wear flowers in my hair, but that all fell thru when I got a load of the Stonewall and the NYC Hip/Gay/Music Scene!
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe:
What are some of your earliest memories of being in New York?
Jayne County:
NYC was so different! It was DIRTY! And it smelled horrible. I had been living in the woods of Georgia, so it all seemed very scary and dangerous and so different. But at the same time it seemed exciting and vibrant. Always in motion. It seemed that nothing ever stopped moving. And nothing ever closed! I loved it. And the different types of people and all the different accents. It was a whole new world to me. And I had never seen an Oriental person before. Or ever been around a lot of Jewish or Black people. Or tasted so many different types of food. I had never had real Chinese food before! I had been raised on traditional southern food. Pinto beans and cornbread, collard greens, boiled potatoes, beets, fried chicken, watermelon, peas etc. Fried fruit pies, home made cakes. I freaked out at my first bite of pizza! And I had never met an Italian before! I fell in love with a handsome Irish/Italian that I met at the Stonewall. He was gorgeous. And he liked similar music as me. His name was Paul Audino. He's dead now. We used to dance together to the Stonewall's jukebox. There were no DJs then. Just a jukebox at the right side of the dance floor to the left side of the front room bar. We danced to Jackie De Shannon and The Supremes, The Doors and The Stones! Everyone listened to all types of music back then. We did the Boogaloo and Shingaling! I used to love dancing to the song Boogaloo Down Broadway! Baby, oh baby, Boogaloo down Broadway, yeah, yeah the funky Broadway! And Sunshine Of Your Love by Cream was a popular one on the jukebox. And this was a Gay bar!!! And of course Aretha was a big crowd pleaser! When Chain Of Fools came on, all the queens would jump up and shout "whooooooooo" and start gettin' down to the crazy sounds! Boogalooing up a storm and poppin' their fingers and doing poses and wiggling their hips! It was a sight to behold! And everyone's favorite slow number, a song by Aretha, that still makes me cry to this day, AIN'T NO WAY! Mmm, mmm, mmm! Dancing with my Irish/Italian 'trick' Paul and smelling his Old Spice, as the colored lights shined and spun across the brick walls of The Stonewall. The smell of stale beer, the cigarette smoke laced with the smell of pot. Others stood around still searching the bar for their next trick or boyfriend or husband. But as Aretha sung out Ain't No Way, it made me feel good to know that I already had my man! And this one jealous queen that had been eyeing my Paul from before was giving me a real nasty look! And I guess I was thinking WELL FUCK YOU BITCH! I GOT MINE NOW GO FIND YOUR OWN!!! LOL!
NYC was really not Disneyland! It was not a safe place for Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck to walk around! It would eat you up and spit you out all in one chew! Everyone was looking for a piece of the action. And if they couldn't get their own then they would take it away from someone else! I remember Miss Twiggy and Miss Tammy, two Stonewall drag queens who were always in drag. We used to wonder how they even stayed alive walking the streets looking like that! Miss Tammy was right out of Valley Of The Dolls! Huge blond wigs and falls. Super short skirts, white stockings, patent leather, big buckled shoes! And Miss Twiggy looked exactly like the supermodel Twiggy in her prime. One night a bunch of us were standing in front of a car on the corner of Christopher Street and Greenwich Avenue. Miss Twiggy and Miss Tammy were dressed to the nines. These straight couples walked by and one of the guys threw a bottle and it smashed on the pavement near our feet. Everyone stopped talking for just a second, and Miss Tammy just rolled her eyes and gave them a look of disgust! Then we immediately went back to our conversation as if nothing had happened. No clear danger. Just a coward expressing his sexual frustration. If the ass wipe had come over to start a fight then he would have ended up in the hospital because drag queens carried a weapon for protection. You had to! Some carried huge bags containing a meat hook! One swipe and that was it! But we managed to have fun with a capital F! NYC back then was a truly FUN CITY!!! Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: How was the Warhol scene different than the CBGB's scene?
Jayne County: Well, the Warhol scene was more about art and underground films of course, and the CBGB's scene was more about music, but art and films were also a part of it. Actually the only time the Warhol scene was about music was during the heyday of The Velvet Underground. Both scenes for a while were composed of a bit of this and a bit of that. Also they both traded off one another, as some people were involved in both scenes. Max's actually at one time, was very closely associated with the Warhol crowd. Under the rule of Mickey Ruskin. The round table in the backroom was often compared to the round table at the Algonquin hotel, during the days of Dorothy Parker, back in the 1920's. It was a VICIOUS CIRCLE! CBGB's heyday reached its zenith during the second reign of Max's under Tommy Dean and Peter Crowley. The Warhol crowd found the second Max's too tacky and they stayed away except for an occasional visit from Nico who was in to the music. The main Warhol crowd also pretty much stayed away from CBGB's as well, referring to it as Rock and Roll trash. By then Andy's friends were rich Rock stars and people with MONEY MONEY MONEY! Gone were the drag queens, the whores and the hustlers. Andy became a part of 'polite' SOCIETY! CBGB's and Max's were for Rock ‘N' Roll trash, junkies, hookers, music fans and so-called PUNKS! That was where all the fun was now. And the drugs too of course!
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: How did Max's Kansas City affect you?
Jayne County: Max's had a huge effect on me. It was where I learned how to mix my wild Rock ‘N' Roll roots with theatre and art. All sorts of people hung out there. It was literally a training ground! I met everyone there that I became involved with concerning both my music, art and theatrical experience. Andy Warhol, Jackie Curtis, Candy Darling, Holly Woodlawn, Penny Arcade, Ritta Red, Tony Ingrassia, Tony Zanetta and tons more! It was like a fantasyland. The bigger Rock stars would also wander thru those gilded doors but mostly under the Mickey Ruskin reign. And you got invited to the most IN parties! I went to parties for The Who, The Doors, The Beatles, Stones and The Kinks! It was the wild days of expensive record company parties involving SEX, DRUGS AND ROCK N ROLL! And all the free food and booze you wanted. Jackie Curtis would always turn up with a shopping bag so she could cram it full of free food to carry back to our cold water flat on 13th Street And Avenue A! I shared the place with rock photographer Leee Childers and Jackie Curtis, Holly Woodlawn and Rio Grande. Everyone was on a different drug! It was INSANE!
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: How did CBGB's affect you, personally and professionally?
Jayne County:
Well, basically when CBGB's started to take off, it sort of put a fire under my ass cause it provided A LOT more competition on the NYC music scene! At one point during the early 70's, The New York Dolls and Wayne County were the premiere top local bands! We were getting all this publicity and huge audiences. The Dolls got recorded. But Wayne County basically got shafted on purpose by David Bowie's Mainman organization. It was all set for me to record in London with Mick Ronson producing at Trident studios when suddenly on the night before we were to fly to London, THE PLUG WAS PULLED! But back to CBGB's! The CB's scene was one of the best things to happen to NYC Rock in ages. It also put a fire under Peter Crowley's butt to keep Max's going as an important place for local bands to play. Plus with Jim LaLumia's "DEATH TO DISCO" movement taking off, both Max's and CBGB's had become the two most important clubs for any Rock "N" Roll or Punk band to play. A lot of people were fed up with Disco and more and more proper Rock bands were being formed. It all worked together to make NYC the "new" Liverpool.
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: Who were your closest friends in those days?
Jayne County: I was lucky to have a lot of good friends but I had an even bigger selection of acquaintances. I hung out with a lot of people, saw them at parties and at Max's or at CB's, but I don't really think I could count many of them as friends. Many people on the scene resented me! There was a lot of homo/transphobia. You have to remember that Wayne/Jayne County was totally different than anyone else. I was always being referred to as "the real thing" by the music industry, who were scarred shitless of me! They literally destroyed Jobriath and the only reason they couldn't get rid of me is because I simply REFUSED to go away! I was attacked on every end. My fans and certain people loved me but most were very stand offish toward me. I didn't go in to all the negative details in my book 'Man Enough To Be A Woman' because I wanted it to be a lighthearted, positive, fun read. But if I could write the book over, it would be a lot darker. Plus some things had to be cut out because the lawyers were afraid the book company would be sued. And probably would have been sued! So if you asked me to list the people I hung out with, the list would be huge but my list of what I would consider to be real friends would be very small indeed. I've always been a loner anyway!
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: Did you realize that what you were doing would be affecting people 10, 20, 30, 40 years later?
Jayne County: I kind of had an idea, or a hope, that people would be dipping into the gender identity thing. And the androgyny thing still goes on a lot even if it's not pointed out in the media. Back in the 60's, it always disappointed me that more people in the LGBT Community weren't into Rock. There were always a few here and there but gay people were mostly in to The Supremes, Aretha, Marvin Gaye, etc. I like those as well but it was always the more Rock or Rock ‘N' Roll bands that really turned me on. Oh gay people would listen to it, if it was being played on Top 40 or someone was playing it on a jukebox, but for the most part, they just didn't identify with it. I was always this weird Rock ‘N' Roll queen with the weird clothes and hip way of speaking. Then later of course I became a Rock ‘N' Roll Transvestite, then migrated to Rock Transsexual, then to Trans Punk Pioneer! LOL! Now I'm a Gender Variant, Punk, Glam, Rock ‘N' Roll MUTT! LOL!
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: What are your thoughts on parties like SqueezeBox, in the 90's, paying homage to the 70's New York scene, the scene that you helped create?
Jayne County:
Oh, the SqueezeBox was one of the best parties ever! And let me tell you right now, I've been to A LOT of parties! I think the most important thing about this ultra fun Friday night at Don Hill's was the fact that the drag queens, gender benders and other gender variant entertainers, sang Rock to a live band! No lip-syncing, using their real voices. That alone was amazing because people in general, have this impression, that "drag queens" all lip-sync to other people's voices. Women's voices, singers like Cher, Britney what's her name, Madonna, Barbara, Judy, etc. You get the picture. SqueezeBox broke the mold! Also I really loved SHE! (SHE was a party that Miss Guy and Jojo Americo did at Webster Hall in '92 and '93) I remember coming back from London and performing there! It was a fun night of Rock ‘N' Roll! And gay and trans themed. I always think of SHE as a forerunner of Squeezebox. I hope Michael Schmidt doesn't mind me saying that! I honestly believe that I did some of my best shows there! Royalty Records had released a lot of my recordings, and I had a big buzz going. And my book had been out. I remember saving a lot of souls for Rock ‘N' Roll, during my song Rock N Roll Resurrection there at SqueezeBox. I think it was one of the few parties that even came close to capturing some of that "upstairs at Max's" music vibe! The thing I loved about SqueezeBox was that it was inclusive. Everyone was welcome even though it was supposed to be a gay club. I thought it was more "gay" themed. It wasn't really a 100 percent gay club. That's one of the reasons it was so fabulous. It didn't seek to put LGBT people into some kind of ghetto. I know that sometimes Mistress Formika grumpily complained that "THIS IS A GAY CLUB PEOPLE" but if that had been the case in full then SqueezeBox would have never been the success that it was. I remember how people would just roll their eyes when Mistress would get on that trip! LOL!
I have so many incredible memories from SqueezeBox. Some of the shows there were totally outrageous! And the music being played was everything I already loved. The DJs at gay clubs and beyond usually played this awful "dance" music that just drives me up the fucking wall! You know that horrible THUMP THUMP THUMP! ON AND ON AND ON AND ON! THUMP THUMP THUMP! Gives me a migraine. And now all the regular pop songs have that THUMP THUMP THUMP! Makes me want to take out an axe and attack the DJ booth! LOL! Just put me in a fucking mental institution. But the music at SqueezeBox was just great music. Great Rock ‘N' Roll! T. Rex, Sex Pistols, Stones, Kinks, The Sweet, Bowie, Heartbreakers, Blondie, Ramones, oh the list goes on and on! And a lot of great surprise ditties. Miss Guy didn't just play the "oldies" either. If a new band fit in to the scheme of things, then he would play that as well. I remember hearing L7's Shitlist and thinking "yep, that's it Miss Guy! You ROCK" and of course, Guy and I got on like a house on fire. We had so much music in common. And him being such a wild gender-bender himself! I remember appearing with The Toilet Boys and they completely rocked out my version of Night Time. I also had the honor of having the incredible Dick Manitoba appear with me at SqueezeBox, singing a great version of California Sun! It was great that I also got to know a lot of people from the scene there. Michael Schmidt, the cute and sexy Lyle, and Ronnie! And they all treated me so great. You don't forget when people are that nice to you. And the cool famous people that used to show up there, like John Waters! Oh there were nights there that were so star-studded, it would remind me of Max's Kansas City! Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: Did you feel like you were breaking ground in the 70's?
Jayne County:
Oh, yes-tra! I knew what I was doing was breaking new ground. Sometimes I can't believe I got as far as I got especially for that time. I started doing it in the 60's! But the 70's was when it started to come together. I've had a lot of bands, the two most famous being The Backstreet Boys, taken from my favorite Susan Hayward film Backstreet. Can you believe that? I couldn't believe it when that 90's Backstreet Boys came out! At first I thought one of my old bands had reformed without me! I remember getting on the phone with my manager, Jim LaLumia, and ranting like a psycho! LOL! The next most famous one was The Electric Chairs, taken from the film A Clockwork Orange.
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: Who were your biggest influences musically?
Jayne County: Well, I love a lot of different groups and artists, but I think my simple Rock style comes from a few influences like Chuck Berry, The Stones, early Kinks, and some old blues artists like Bessie Smith. Also some big influences come from 60's Garage bands like The Castaways, Count Five and The Standells. And I am a HUGE Beatles fan! Mostly of their early Rock ‘N' Roll stuff. The NUGGETS stuff just sends me into orbit!
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: Who were your biggest influences visually?
Jayne County: Well, my biggest influence visually is Dusty Springfield. As a teen, she really made a big impression on me. The big black eyes, all the lashes, the pale lips and of course that hair! I love all the Sixties styles. The teased and sprayed to death hair that wouldn't budge or move an inch during a cyclone or tornado! LOL! I love Sandy Shaw, how she performed barefooted. If I'm not wearing boots on stage I always shake my shoes off during the first song. Also high heels are a good weapon on stage if you get a bad heckler! What did you say to me you asshole? WHACK! LOL!
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: Did you always know you'd be a singer/performer?
Jayne County:
I always knew I would be some sort of artist. When I was doing underground theatre in NYC I wanted to get in to music. While doing Jackie Curtis' play Femme Fatale at La Mama, which also featured Patti Smith, I met the Marcus brothers, Tommy and Jimmy Wynbrandt, and we got together and formed the band Queen Elizabeth. It was what I really wanted to do.
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: If you weren't an entertainer, what would be your chosen profession?
Jayne County: If I wasn't Jayne County, Rock ‘N' Roll artist, I would have probably ended up dead by now! LOL! Being Jayne releases a lot of tension and frustrations I have about being human. I don't have much faith in the human race I'm afraid. Humanity is a VIRUS! A destructive negative force that seeks to KILL KILL KILL! And religion is the worst. It encourages humans to fight and kill each other. I DESPISE it. But at the same time, I do believe in a higher intelligence because if humans are the highest intelligence, then honey, we are fucked. Up shit creek without a paddle! I would have probably ended up an axe murderer or something worse if it hadn't been for Rock ‘N' Roll!
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: Who were a few of your favorites artists from the CBGB's era?
Jayne County: Oh there were so many great bands. Some deserved to do a lot better than they did, but thems are the breaks, break it up, break it up, break it up, get down! I love Blondie, Patti, La Ramones. If I had to choose though I would have to say The Heartbreakers with Johnny Thunders and Jim La Lumia's Psychotic Frogs were my favorites. It's simple, raw Rock ‘N' Roll. I also liked The Planets and The Fast. The Cramps were amazing!
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: Who was, or is, the love of your life?
Jayne County: The love of my life? OMG that's a hard one! Probably Raymond from London. Or my first love from High School, a star football player who was also a really good artist. He could paint and draw anything. We went to art school together for a short time. I never got over him. He got married and had four children! He's a Methodist. We used to go to church camp together! LOL! AMEN! PRAISE ISIS!
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: What type of guy are you most attracted to?
Jayne County: Oh I am still attracted to guys in their twenties! It's very Tennessee Williams Sweet Bird Of Youth. Or more like Blanche DuBois in Streetcar Named Desire. "I want magic! There is nothing more vulgar than a naked light bulb! Young man! Don't turn on that light! Magic!" but I guess if the person is nice enough, you could put up with any age. And it's all down to what you are looking for? Just sex? A hubby? A slave? LOL!
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: What one thing was it that made Wayne want to become Jayne?
Jayne County:
Well, Jayne certainly can get a lot of guys if she wants, LOL!, but to be honest, all that has become so tired. I have zero sexual drive. It's all about finding a level of comfort. I'm just more comfortable in the feminine corridor. In the early 70's, Leee gave me a book by a trans person called Canary Conn. It made a huge impression on me. So I started the hormone treatments to feminize myself. When my form changed and I grew these fabulous tits, I just knew I couldn't continue calling myself Wayne. I had been living in London and touring constantly. I returned to NYC in 1979, or was it 1980? Well, anyway, I had a gig at CBGB's and it was the first time I started using Jayne. There was a huge fab poster of me all in pink and it said Wayne County, only the name Wayne had a big black "X" over it and then the name Jayne had been written in. It was quite impressive.
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: When did you first hear of The New York Dolls?
Jayne County: I first saw them at the Mercer Arts Centre and they blew me away!
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: What did you think of David Bowie's rise to stardom?
Jayne County: I was jealous of course because he was basically doing what I had been doing since 1967, but with this androgynous spaceman image. It was a total act and very plastic but entertaining at the same time but nothing new! He just brought it to a wider audience. It's a shame we really don't speak anymore but I can understand why he would be upset with me. He just now pretends that he doesn't know me! Or that he ever knew me! LOL! He even said in an interview that he only met me once and that he couldn't stand me! Sure, I guess that's why he had his fucking tongue down my throat one night. He probably doesn't even remember, he was so stoned! But I wish him all the best. The Dolls were grittier and I much preferred them. Bowie was very jealous of The Dolls and he puts them down even today. The Dolls and Bowie influenced a lot of people in different ways. Bowie more-so because he reached a bigger audience. Bowie took ideas from other people, glossed them over and made it more commercial.
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: Were you happy for the massive success that Blondie achieved?
Jayne County:
I was so thrilled with Blondie's success! That organ! And Debbie is such a beautiful Marilyn Monroe type. I saw them live a few times before Jimmy's organ went in. When the organ appeared that was it! The Blondie sound! And that first record with Rip Her To Shreds! PERFECT! It couldn't have happened to a group of nicer people. Oh the memories!
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: What artists today, if any, do you think capture the spirit of the Max's/CB's era?
Jayne County: I can't think of any artists today that have a "Max's" vibe. What a shame. I loved The Jesus And Mary Chain from the 80's. I mean the ones that are still around from that time are growing thinner all the while! But new artists? I can't think of anyone but I don't even keep up anymore. I'm living in a time warp!
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: How important is image to you?
Jayne County: Image is pretty important to me because I don't think of myself as just a singer. I'm an all around sort of artist. I use my body and face as part of my art. Then I present it to the public in a Rock ‘N' Roll setting. All great artists have an image. Even people that claim not to have an image really do. Not having an image is having an image of not having an image! Look at Elvis. The Beatles. The Sex Pistols. And animal murderer Shady Gag Gag!
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: What response did you get when you wrote your column 'Dear Wayne' for Rock Scene magazine?
Jayne County:
Writing for Rock Scene was a trip and a half! It was so groovy! People were really SHOCKED that Wayne County could read and write! LOL! I got outrageous letters from all over asking me for advice. It was an advice column. I used to get in a lot of trouble because I advised kids to do outlandish things. I told boys to go to school with their fingernails painted. I told someone to rob a liquor store to support their band and they did! It was all very tongue in cheek but a lot of people took it dead serious.
The poor kid wrote me from prison and I felt so horrible! He took my advice! LOL! Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: Do you have fond memories of your first trip to England?
Jayne County: Oh my first trip to England in 1971 was one of the highlights of my life. I went over with the play I was in, Andy Warhol's PORK. We were treated like superstars! We were the toast of the town in our painted nails, shaved eyebrows and freaky makeup. Purple and burgundy were THE lipstick colors. I played a character named Vulva, patterned after Warhol diva, Viva. She was so fucking pissed off! She called up the Factory threatening everyone! We got scandalous reviews! My big scene was eating beans then standing up to fart in a guy's face! It was outrageous! And Leee, Tony Zanetta, Cherry Vanilla, Jamie De Carlo Lotts, Tony Ingrassia and I all met David Bowie and his WILD wife Angela! We all hung out and went to Sombrero together! David and Angie came several times to see PORK. I think it had a big influence on them both. Back in America again, Bowie's manager Tony De Freeze, hired the NY cast from Pork, to work for him. They called it Mainman.
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: What's your favorite memory of being on stage?
Jayne County:
I have some very funny moments on stage. I don't know if I have had a favorite one. Once at SqueezeBox I was on stage and I mistook this poor little guy in the audience for the singer in Green Day! And I made a big play for him from the stage! Poor thing, it must have scared him to death.
Later I was so embarrassed! Once in England during my "wooly hat" stage, some fan, a boy, jumped up on stage and ripped my hat off my head and ran with it! Much to his and the audience's surprise, I jumped off the stage and ran after him, caught him, threw him to the floor and got my hat back! When I jumped back up on the stage with my hat on, the audience went CRAZY! Once during a show with my band Queen Elizabeth, I was singing away on stage, when I felt something pinching at my ankles! I looked down and it was Warhol Superstar, Taylor Mead! He was rolling around sliding under my legs like a giant grub worm. LOL! Once in England, someone's dog ran out on stage during Fuck Off and started barking at me! I sang the rest of the song to the dog, and barked back at it at the end of the song! The audience was ecstatic. LOL! Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: I think you told me years ago that your first concert was The Shangri-Las's, what impact did that have on you?
Jayne County: Oh, seeing The Shangra-La's live was a gas, gas, gas! They came out with motorcycles, wearing knee boots and tight pants. I was so impressed by their trashy look. They started out kind of looking like teenage prom girls, but I guess the success of Leader Of The Pack changed all that. The Sir Douglas Quintet opened for them. They had a huge hit with She's About A Mover.
In Atlanta, just about two years ago, I had the honor of introducing Mary Weiss at her sold out show! We hung out a short bit before and after her show and she is still just as fabulous. One of my favorite female singers of all time. Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: Did you ever see Elvis or The Beatles?
Jayne County: I never saw Elvis live, but I remembering seeing all those old black and white television appearances as a kid. My aunt went to see Love Me Tender but missed the ending cause she fainted when Elvis got shot! I liked Elvis but I was more of a Beatles and 'British Invasion' fan. I lived and breathed EVERYTHING English. I saw The Beatles live when they played the Atlanta Stadium in 1965! I caught a Greyhound bus from Marietta, to Atlanta then walked to the stadium. I clutched my ticket like it was a million dollars all the way there. It was an amazing show! There they were, THE BEATLES! And I had a great seat. I get chills even now thinking about it. People, of course, were going BERSERK! Screaming, crying, fainting, wetting their panties! The seats were soaked! And when they went in to She Loves You I swear I must have peed my jeans! They made me CREAM IN MY JEANS! I am still to this day an AVID fan of that period, especially British music. The Stones, The Kinks, The Pretty Things, The Troggs, Herman's Hermits, The Searchers! I love them all. BRITAIN 4 Ever-tra!
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: Were you a fan of The Rolling Stones?
Jayne County: Yes, I am a big Stones fan but mostly of their early music. I still play the first LP like it was released yesterday! The Rolling Stones Now is one of my favorite records of all time. I love Off The Hook and Down Home Girl. Stones fans back in the day were the really rebellious teens that hated everything else. I loved it all but The Stones were super special. I remember seeing in a magazine the phrase Would you let your daughter marry a Rolling Stone? Ha! It was brilliant PR! The early Stones never played Atlanta, and I was so upset! I saw them later though at Madison Square Garden when Ike and Tina Turner were on the bill as well. Talk about a great show! Miss Tina worked it out! Poor Mick had to follow that! BRAVE! LOL!
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: Do you prefer Janis Joplin or The Doors?
Jayne County: Janis or The Doors? Oh Isis! I saw Janis at the Fillmore East. I was so stoned on acid. The walls were melting; the floor was going up and down. I barely remember the show! I remember seeing this strange figure on stage dressed in something really shinny and a lot of beads going every which away. And this high-pitched, agonized screaming coming from it. It was like some injured animal out in the desert. Was I ever TRIPPING! I don't know how I ever got home. But I love Janis and I always will. When I saw her again I was in better shape. She appeared at The Singer Bowl in Queens. I took the subway there and back. Also on the bill were Jimi Hendrix and The Soft Machine. As far as the Doors go, I am a huge fan. I would have to go with The Doors because I love their songs and their sound. That ORGAN! I'm a big fan of the organ. Like Question Mark And The Mysterians. One reason why I love Blondie. Or The Castaways song Liar Liar covered by Ms. Harry! Great cover! Yes, The Doors! Any group that would do a Kurt Weill, Bertolt Brecht song made famous by the incredible Lotte Lenya, is more than ok with me. Show me the way to ze next whiskey bar!
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: KISS or Motley Crue?
Jayne County: Kiss. I couldn't name one Motley Crue song if you put a shotgun to my sweet little head! And they looked a MESS! Like the Macy's version of The New York Dolls. LOL! Kiss were a great band. I love Paul Stanley, but Gene Simmons is a right wing RepubliKKKan POSSUM TURD! He tried to STEAL my band's name, The Electric Chairs. What a DOPE! And his hair looks like a cow in heat jumped up on top of his head and did a big dump! They played with my band Queen Elizabeth in a loft way back in the day. I defended and tooted the Kiss train in my column for Rock Scene. Great band! Love them.
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: Marilyn Monroe or Jayne Mansfield?
Jayne County:
Oh shit, that's a tough one. I love them both. They both have platinum hair and Goddess bodies! But Marilyn has A LOT of incredible films! Jayne is more of a camp figure now. Love her in The Girl Can't Help It. (Great clothing store in San Diego as well, ran by Sparkle Moore.) Divine did a great take off of Jayne in Pink Flamingos! Oh, I would have to say MARILYN!
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: Debbie or Madonna?
Jayne County: Oh, that's an easy one with no hesitation, DEBBIE! She rocks! Madonna can't even roll. I respect her as an artist though. She broke ground for women. But I'm not a fan of her music. It 's over produced, and sifted for the mainstream. It makes her a lot of money. Sometimes, it's hard to tell the difference between a real artist, and just a moneymaking machine for the music industry. For me it's DEBBIE ALL THE WAY!
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: Lucy or Ethyl?
Jayne County: I have to go with Ethyl. Lucy gets on my nerves at times. Sometimes I scream IDIOT at her when I'm watching I Love Lucy. LOL! Lucille Ball is a great comedian, but sometimes it's just too STUPID! It's a wonder that Ricky abstained from spouse abuse. ETHYL my dear!
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: Bette Davis or Joan Crawford?
Jayne County: Definitely Bette Davis! If for no reason but that incredible film All About Eve. Eve Harrington! Evil Eve! Eve Evil! Ha! And of course one of her most famous lines, "Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night" always does it for me.
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: New York or Los Angeles?
Jayne County: I do love both NYC and Los Angeles! I used to have that kind of snobbery toward LA that a lot of New Yorkers have, but not anymore. Both cities have so much to offer. And LA is more of a Rock ‘N' Roll town I think. NYC just kind of gave in to all that dance crap which is a shame. CBGB's, MAX's, Peppermint Lounge, Danceteria, Mudd Club, Coney Island High, Continental, Brownies, Squeezebox, Don Hills, ALL GONE! Now just a part of history. Read about it in the history books, the magazine articles and from people who were there! The weather in LA is fab! And I have a lot of friends there. I think I actually may retire there one day. It's either there or Florida! OH ISIS! SAVE ME!
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: 60's or 70's?
Jayne County:
Oh, the 60's of course! The Decade Of Change. Music was the most interesting it had ever been. It evolved like a motherfucker! All sorts of new instruments were being used in pop music. Eastern instruments, the harpsichord. I LOVE the harpsichord! It was so exciting waiting to see what the bands were going to come up with next. The 70's were ok. We had punk and glam. Those were fun times. The energy of punk and the visuals of glam were revolutionary, but the 60's are when the revolution really started and the world changed forever. It was the loss of innocence, and shit fire and save lighter fluid, did we has us some kind of FUN! LOL!
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: 80's or 90's?
Jayne County:
The 80's and 90's leave me cold. By that time everything interesting and fun had been done. I felt like I was in a rerun and on some kind of loop. Round and round! Jaded and seen it all! Oh there was fun to be had but it was kind of a bore to me. I hate to sound so blasé but I guess by that time I had already reached some sort of understanding with myself and the music being made at the time. I thought most of it was just awful! Kind of whitewashed and phony. Stripped of its originality and energy. I was extremely disappointed in the music of those eras.
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: What are your Top 5 all-time favorite songs?
Jayne County:
It's hard to pick only five. I have so many faves. 96 Tears by Question Mark and The Mysterians, A World Without Love by Peter and Gordon (written by Lennon and McCartney), Mack The Knife by Lotte Lenya, Pushin Too Hard by The Seeds and Liar Liar by The Castaways.
I also have to mention Psychotic Reaction by The Count Five, Dirty Water by The Standells, It Won't Be Long by The Beatles, Because by The Dave Clark Five, Off The Hook by The Stones and Blame It On The Bossa Nova by Eydie Gorme. And many more! Also Not Me by The Orlons and Gravy by Dee Dee Sharp. I could go on and on! Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: What are your Top 5 all-time favorite movies?
Jayne County: Oh shit! Impossible! So I will throw a few of my favorites out there. Gone With The Wind, Streetcar Named Desire, Invasion Of The Body Snatchers, I Walked With A Zombie, All About Eve, The Roman Spring Of Mrs. Stone, I Wanna Hold Your Hand, A Hard Day's Night, The T.A.M.I. Show, Beyond The Valley Of The Dolls, The Day The World Stood Still (the original version), The Time Machine. I could go on and on but those are a few of my faves. Oh, Abbot And Costello Meet Frankenstein!
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: Do you think you'll be remembered more for your outrageous antics on stage or for your masterpiece ‘If You Don't Want To Fuck Me, Baby, Fuck Off' and which one is more important to you?
Jayne County: I want to be remembered for both. I'm an entertainer! I love making people laugh and feel good, but there's a serious side as well. I want to be remembered as an artist that wasn't afraid to FIGHT BACK! Someone that stands up to the bigots, and homo/transphobic assholes. I was honored that the Met gave me my own room at the Punk exhibit with a huge screen of me singing Toilet Love! It makes me feel useful that I influenced someone enough to put me in the Met. I like being an influence! And with my art, who knows, I may have my own show there one day. I hope to be remembered for all my music but I know that If You Don't Wanna Fuck Me Baby, Baby Fuck Off will always be my most famous song. My song Out Of Control is on the CBGB's soundtrack. A lot of people will hear that and that gives me a lot of satisfaction.
Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: Where can Punk Globe readers find you online?
Jayne County: I'm on Facebook. I have my personal page and there are a few fan pages as well. I'm also on iTunes and Amazon.
I'd also like to say that I am really excited to be working with my Atlanta band The Electrick Queers! Having a good band locally and recording with these guys has been great. I had to return to Georgia to help care for my elderly parents but I still rock out in Atlanta! I will be performing at Atlanta's Star Bar on October 11th. I am also working with original Electric Chairs guitarist, Elliot Michaels. We got the band back together for sellout shows at Bowery Electric in NYC and at The Viper Room in LA! I am also running Auntie Jayne's CATHOUSE. I take care of kitties and try to get them adopted. I am a big animal lover, especially CATS! People can DONATE to my Cathouse! Just go to my PAYPAL address. It's sweetandsourjayne@yahoo.com. It's for a very good cause and I would deeply appreciate any donations to help my kitties. The food and medical bills are high as hell. Please help me help the kitties. Don't forget to go to ITunes and check out all my recordings! Safari has re-released everything. You can download my new single by me and The Electrick Queers called Are You Ready To Fight Hate And Bigotry! And please get my track Out Of Control from the CBGB's film soundtrack. My book Man Enough To Be A Woman is an EBook now. Any questions please contact my manager Jim La Lumia at fablalumia@aol.com Miss Guy/ Punk Globe: Any wisdom you'd like to share with us, Jayne?
Jayne County: Here's some good advice for everyone, FIGHT BACK! And NEVER TRUST YOUR BEST FRIEND!
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