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Punk
Globe: Thanks for doing this interview Tom, please tell us
a bit about yourself.
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Tom
Lyle: I was born in a cross-fire hurricane, and I howled
at my ma in the driving rain, but its all right now, in fact, it’s a
gas. Sorry about that, those are the lyrics to a Rolling Stones song
that I always think of when asked about my life. OK, honestly, you are
the first person to ask me about my life. But still, my favorite
version of that song was played by Iron Cross, which really puts the
original to shame. But that’s another story. I joined the band
Government Issue for my first show October 31, 1981 when I played bass,
and then within six months I switched to guitar. We played our last
show June 1, 1989.
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Punk
Globe: Government Issue has been sort of a who's-who of
the 80s DC punk scene, so what was your favorite line up of GI?
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Tom Lyle: That
really depends. One day I’ll think that it was the line-up on the last
two albums with Jay and Pete as the rhythm section. We got to tour
more, too, so we always either playing shows or recording, which was
the goal all along, wasn’t it. But when I listen back to that stuff
now, sometimes it sounds too polished -- I’ll think we were better off
in the earlier days when I was more out of tune, sloppier, and angrier
at the world. Back then every show was like an event, every studio
session a super special occasion. I listen to the earlier stuff and we
had so much pent up energy and seem to have something to prove. But the
middle period when we were going through changes musically, trying to
stretch the boundaries of what could be considered punk would sometimes
be my favorite. But then I’ll realize that the later period sounds to
me like what we were musically striving for all those years up until
then. Plus I was able to have a small wall of Marshalls behind me by
then. Now that I think of it, I just hate every phase equally. But not
because of the others in the line up of the time, everyone else was
always pretty cool. It was me who was an asshole, and I would like to
take this opportunity to publicly apologize to everyone.
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Punk
Globe: Tell us about the most recent incarnation of the
group if you please.
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Tom Lyle: You
mean the reunion show we played in DC in ’07? That really came about by
luck, or actually, the lack of luck, as far as John was concerned. Ever
since we broke up in 1989 we have never had a serious thought of ever
playing together again. They only reason we finally got together, and
it really wasn’t a full-on reunion if you want to get technical, was to
help John pay his surgery bills. I found out that 76% Uncertain from
Connecticut was going to play at a benefit for John in DC. I’m friends
with Bones, their singer, and said it would be cool if I could sit in
on a couple of songs during their set. Next thing I find out is that
John wants to sing a few songs with them, too. Next I find out is that
the set is getting longer and longer, and then I find out that everyone
wants a full set of GI songs. Next thing I get in my in-box is a flyer
calling our set Government Re-issue, with William the drummer from 76%,
and Brian Baker on bass. We never played with William before, so we did
like a mini practice during the sound check. That’s a bit of a stretch
saying was it was because of William, the rest of us hadn’t played
those songs for like a century either. But the night was a blast, plus
we raised a lot of money for John. My favorite part of our set was when
a young lady flew full force out of the crowd into the drum set. That
brought back memories.
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Punk
Globe: What were your first thoughts when you heard John
Stabb was attacked?
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Tom
Lyle: First of all, I was blown away that it happened in
his neighborhood, which I always thought of as a quiet suburban
community. Then as the details of his injuries became clear it made me
sick to my stomach, and I followed very closely to what benefits and
other methods of fund raising were going on. I gave what I could, but
in the end I guess playing the benefit with those guys was the best I
could have done to help him.
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Punk
Globe: Is there a family aspect to Government Issue?
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Tom
Lyle: No, not really. OK, yes, in a way. John and I have
been through a lot together. Nine years is a long time to be in a band
that was struggling for most of our existence. John used to joke, at
least I think it was a joke, that we hated each other like brothers.
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Punk
Globe: Do you think nostalgia for the 80s hardcore scene
is manufactured or genuine coming from the punks of today?
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Tom Lyle: I guess
there’s many ways of looking at it. Some of my favorite music of all
time was manufactured. The Monkees “Stepping Stone” is a great song,
and was one of the first songs I was ever able to play on guitar from
beginning to end. But that’s probably not what you mean. I don’t care
what the reason that leads someone to get into great music like Bad
Brains or Minor Threat. It is all about the music. At least as far as
I’m concerned. All that other shit like adopting a straight-edge
attitude, or a fuck everything mind-set, or an anarchist stance that
might come about because of the influence that comes from interacting
with people on the scene is extra. Hopefully, the extra stuff will be
good, like standing up for what you believe in. But that still probably
didn’t answer your question.
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Punk
Globe: Do you still go to punk shows? If so what do you
think of the current scene in DC?
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Tom Lyle: I’m not
living in DC anymore, but still, it would be a rare occasion to go to
any new young band’s show at like a community center or something. I
might look a little silly at a hardcore show now, wouldn’t I? If I saw
a guy like me at a show at the Wilson Center in DC in 1983 I might
think he was some kind of weirdo. Or maybe a dad looking for his kid.
But come to think of it, times have changed, haven’t they. I see
parents taking their kids to shows all the time now. I wish my parents
had at least one molecule of musically cool genes in them.
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Punk
Globe: How did that long-haired, glittery "Strange Wine"
video come about?
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Tom
Lyle: When on tour in the US and we had a day off in a
small town and we didn’t have to get our van or some band equipment
repaired, we got bored. One of the things we would do is go to the mall
to kill time. We weren’t party animals, that’s for sure. When we were
in Biloxi Mississippi at the mall we saw in the back of a chain record
store one of these “be a star in your own music video” signs. They
would take any record, and you could lip-sync to the song. We asked
them if we could supply our own record and they said sure. One take
later with a single fixed camera in front of a green screen with a
stock background and we made our first and only staged music video. The
long hair was because we were rock stars. Or maybe because on the road
for about two years and three quarters of the band never got a hair
cut. Or maybe we grew our hair just to piss people off. I don’t
remember.
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Punk
Globe: With a name like Government Issue, people have
mistaken you for a political group. What's your stance on the inclusion
of politics in music?
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Tom Lyle: Well,
you’d really have to ask John about the lack of political lyrics in our
tunes, that’s his department, he wrote all the lyrics. And his focus on
the personal rather than the political was mostly his choice. But for
me, the inclusion of lyrics with political content isn’t going to make
a band good or bad. Some of my favorite bands have lyrics that were
very political, like Crucifix. But the politics aren’t the only reason
why I like them. It is some of the most intense hardcore I’ve ever
heard, that’s why I like them. But I guess if they sung about puppy
dogs and flowers it might sound a little strange.
Government Issue got its name from the Black Market Baby song “World At War”, where he sings “I Wanna Be A GI”. It’s a song about being bored, which I could definitely relate to at the time. It wasn’t a right wing pro war song, or even an anti-war song that’s for sure, at least I don’t think it was. |
Punk
Globe: Will we ever see a full on GI reunion?
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Tom
Lyle: Nope.
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Punk
Globe: You were in a band called Glee Club, right? What
was that like and what about your two solo albums?
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Tom Lyle: Glee
Club was me and John having fun. In late 1984 early 1985 we went into a
studio that the sound engineer from the 9:30 Club owned, and made up
the album as we went along. It took a few months, we would do a song
every couple of weeks. We were getting into more obscure music at the
time and thought that the stuff would be inappropriate for inclusion in
GI, and if you listen to the stuff I have no doubt in my mind you would
agree with me on that. I played about ninety five percent of the
instruments, and John did the singing. I guess you’d call the type of
music post-punk if you had to put a label on it. It was pressed on
vinyl, but never released on CD. I personally think it is a great
album, I wouldn’t mind someone re-releasing it, even though I never
thought much about doing that.
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Punk
Globe: Which do you enjoy more, playing in bands or
playing music solo?
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Tom Lyle: In
bands. But nowadays I prefer being a more behind the scenes type of
guy. I like producing, but since I left DC I don’t get many calls for
that. But I do a lot of mastering at my own place, and I think I’m
pretty good at that. A lot of people record stuff on their own now, I
take what they’ve done and make it sound like a record, if you know
what I mean. I’ve also done some re-issues and compilations for people
made from different sources because sometimes the original masters are
lost. I have good equipment for that type of stuff. Plus a good set of
ears, I like to think.
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Punk
Globe: Are you doing anything now musically speaking?
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Tom
Lyle: Nothing serious, other than listening to it.
Constantly.
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Punk
Globe: Have fans ever thanked you personally for the
inspiration they took from GI?
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Tom Lyle: Once in
a while, but not too many times, really. I bet John gets all sorts of
fan e-mail, though, he was the lead singer after all. I was back in the
shadows. I have a myspace page, and every once in a while someone will
contact me and say a word or two. Sometimes they’ll write about guitar
stuff. It’s funny, I never considered myself a very good guitarist. I
have small hands, and I have to kind of cheat on a lot of the chords.
But I guess that ended up giving me my own sound. For better or worse.
But what makes me happy is that sometimes I’ll get contacted by someone
who has just discovered our music and likes it. New fans after all
these years, who would have thought?
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Punk
Globe: Thanks for the interview Tom, take care. Any final
comments?
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Tom
Lyle: If anyone is curious, we have two double CDs on Dr.
Strange Records with just about the entire catalog on them, and a new
ep with live songs from 82 and 83 on DC-Jam. So borrow them from a
friend and burn copies for yourself.
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